to win this and steve cohen has great lawyers, including ted wells. >> oh, yeah, he's a good one. >> they're going to put up a spirited defense and again, they claim they've done nothing wrong. the u.s. attorney from manhattan knows a lot of chips are on the table for him. he wants to be the next eric holder. >> some political skin in this game. and you take down cohen, it sends chills down the spine of all the others out there, right? they're all looking over their shoulders. >> and remember, he does thot want to lose, so they usually bring good cases and i'll tell you, they brought this case, the way they brought it, against the firm because they think they can nail the firm. not against him because they don't have the evidence against him yet, but i will tell you this, laura, i think this is my opinion. they're readying one. thaf they have not given up on bringing charges against him. >> oh, boy, and maybe fill him in on the civil side, but there's a lot of money at stake for sure.